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August 7, 2004 | 5 Comments

Just finished The Post Evangelical by Dave Tomlinson. Chapter nine, which is entitled "Postively Wordly", extended some of thinking I described in the entry below. In it, he writes: "To categorize a record, a novel, or a system of education as ‘Christian’ or ‘non-Christian’ (secular) is to judge such things only on their superficial merits — for example, whether or not they talk explicity about Christian themes."

I very much agree that to judge something as Christian or secular is to make a very superficial and surface judgment. It fails to see what the deeper issues are in what is being judged. Could it be that to divide between "Christian" and "secular" is the most secular act of all? Does it not fail to perceive what is happening on a spiritual level?

  • guest

    Not if those ‘opinions’ come from God himself.

    I havent got a checklist. I listen to the voice of God as he directs me.

    God has brought me to the place I am now. I know it’s not for everyone. It involves giving up too much for many. But it is a place of conviction I have in my journey.

  • Nash

    I think by asking ourselves if this is something that “God would have us do,” all we are doing is limiting what we can learn from the “secular” world by our own pre-concieved ideas. Rephrased: we are still limiting God by the opinions we have in our head.

    I’ve learned spiritual lessons from Christian cd’s, yes, mainly DC Talk or David Crowder Band. But I’ve also seen the spiritual elements in the music of Matchbox 20, U2, Story of the Year, and yes, even Eminem.

    A good book that I was going to recommend to both John and Zach is the book “Simplicity,” by Mark Soloman. It’s from Skeleton Key Publishing in Huntington Beach. Soloman was/is the lead singer of The Crucified and Stavesacre. An awesome read that touches on some of the same topics that you touched on in your last post, John. Also a good read for anybody that’s trying to cast their own view of “right balance” between sacred and secular music, books, or other creative elements.

  • guest

    The question I prefer to ask myself is ‘is this something God would want me to read, listen to, or do?’

    I have chosen a more ascetic lifestyle on these things, whilst still living in the community.


  • zach

    i would love to comment on this, but really don’t have any clue about being secular. great stuff though, thanks john

  • you are as secular as they come, and we both know it 😉